How The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Denies The Gospel
We have discussed the fact that the dispensationalist’s understanding of “dispensation” invalidates the reality of grace in any age, how the dispensational “Kingdom Offer” impugns the honesty of God and makes the gospel nothing more than an afterthought, and how presumed distinctions between Israel and the church deny the New Covenant to either. We will now examine how the peculiarly dispensational doctrine of the Pretribulational Rapture of the Church makes manifest these errors.
The novel doctrine of the pretribulational rapture is central to dispensational teaching. The removal of the church to heaven preceding the Tribulation period, when the stopped prophetic clock begins ticking for Israel again with the “Seventieth Week of Daniel”, was Darby’s innovation.
Darby broke not only from previous millenarian teaching but from all of church history by asserting that Christ’s second coming would occur in two stages. The first, an invisible “secret rapture” of true believers could happen at any moment, ending the great “parenthesis” or church age which began when the Jews rejected Christ. Scofield also taught this doctrine along with Chafer, Ryrie, Walvoord, etc.
At dispensational schools, failure to hold steadfastly to the doctrine of the pretribulational rapture may have dire consequences. …the doctrine of a pretribulational rapture of the church seems to be a litmus test of orthodoxy. To “outsiders,” including classic premillennialists, this doctrine is not crucial, if it is believed at all. But not only is it vigorously maintained in Dallas Dispensationalism, but deviation from it causes a person to be suspect and institutions to shake and sometimes split.
It is unfortunate that “outsiders” – historic premillennialists, postmillennialists, and amillennialists – have not taken this distinctively dispensational doctrine more seriously, for it is here that dispensational theology stands or falls.
It is the doctrine of the pretribulational rapture that proves conclusively that Dispensationalism is not, as dispensationalists claim, a return to Biblical theology – but a pseudo Christian cult.Most arguments against pretribulationism have focused upon showing that the doctrine is a new development in theology and can not be found in the scriptures. Various orthodox commentators and theologians, from the ranks of each of the millennial views, have presented this case with considerable skill. We will therefore take a different tack, and show that the doctrine is in direct opposition to the everlasting Gospel of Christ Jesus. Most earlier dispensational theologians allowed that the Old Testament saints would be resurrected along with the church in the pretribulational rapture.
Alexander Reese, a classic premillennialist, utterly destroyed this position with convincing scriptural arguments locating the resurrection of the Old Testament saints at the Day of the Lord at the end of the Tribulation.
“At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
Daniel 12:1-2
Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?” And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. “Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand. “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. “Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.
Daniel 12:8-13
No dispensationalist would argue that the “time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation”, the “abomination of desolation”, and the taking away of the daily sacrifice is not a reference to the time of the Tribulation.
Yet, Daniel is told that the resurrection follows these events. Dispensationalists then, for the most part, amended their position to separate the resurrection of the Old Testament saints from the rapture…. many careful students of premillennial truth have come to the conclusion that the opinion that Israel’s resurrection occurred at the time of the rapture was a hasty one and without proper Scriptural foundation.
It seems far more preferable to regard the resurrection of Daniel 12:2 as a literal one following the tribulation, but not to be identified with the pretribulational rapture of the church… The church will be raised at the time of the rapture before the tribulation, and the Old Testament saints, including Israel, at the beginning of the millennial reign of Christ. On this point the dispensationalist has jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
In order to preserve the precious doctrine of the pretribulational rapture of the church, they raise the Old Testament saints apart from the saints of the church age. We note that this is consistent with the dispensational understanding of “dispensations” and with their distinction between Israel and the church. It also reveals that the longstanding charge made by orthodox Christianity that dispensationalism teaches multiple methods of salvation is absolutely true. Let us look at some of the texts concerning the resurrection of the saints:
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed–in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?”
1 Corinthians 15:50-55
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
In these classic dispensational proof texts of the pretribulational rapture, we see that the righteous dead are raised first, and then those who are alive and remain are translated into incorruptable bodies and gathered to Christ. How, then, can the dispensationalist justify the concept of the Old Testament saints being raised at some later point in time?
Some people are startled by the thought that the Old Testament saints will not be resurrected until the end of the Tribulation. But keep in mind that the rapture is a promise to the Church, and the Church only.We see that the dispensationally imposed distinction between Israel and the church is at the root of this argument.
The Old Testament saints are not “in Christ” and therefore will not arise to everlasting life at the same time as the church saints. According to dispensationalists, the Old Testament people are not the heirs of the Holy Spirit, are not regenerated by Him, and are not grafted by Him into Christ in the same way that the New Testament people are….the verse simply says that the dead in Christ will precede the living in Christ in the rapture. If you are saying that Daniel would be included in “the dead”, then you have to show that Daniel is “in Christ”. If you will study the NT you will see that “in Christ” refers to the baptism in the Holy Spirit. “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one Spirit to drink”…There is no way that Daniel was part of the body of Christ. This verse in 1 Thess 4:16 simply does not apply to him. The Holy Spirit did not permanently indwell believers in the OT. It is not really people or time period that delineates the church–it is the Holy Spirit. Personal faith in Jesus Christ–which is what the passage is referring to–was not an option for OT saints. They are not in view in this passage. It is referring to people who do have the option of this personal faith in Jesus…OT saints are “in Christ” in that sense that the death of Jesus is the basis for the salvation of anyone–past, present, future. However, they were not part of the body of Christ, in the sense of being permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
The technical term for the Church is those who are “in Christ.” 1 Thessalonians. speaks of those who have died “in Christ” being resurrected at the time of His coming IN THE AIR. The context has ONLY the Church in mind. This dispensational distinction between the OT & NT saints, the church & Israel, is in fact what denies dispensationalism any claim to Christianity at all, for in that very distinction dispensationalism teaches multiple methods of salvation.
By excluding the OT saint from the ekklesia (church) the dispensationalist is required to produce some means, other than partaking of the New Covenant in Christ, for one or the other of the groups to be granted eternal life. The teaching of the church for the last 2,000 yrs precludes this, as does our Lord.
Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.”
John 6:53-56
Notice these points which contradict Dispensational doctrine -No one has life who does not partake of the New Covenant in Christ’s Blood. The OT saint must partake, as does the NT & tribulation saint, in order to have life.
ALL who partake are raised at the LAST DAY. That day is the “end of the days” prophesied to Daniel -“But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”
Daniel 12:13
ALL who partake are “in Christ” and He in they.ALL THE SAINTS are promised the same resurrection, by the same Blood, at the same time!
And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:15
By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Hebrews 11:9-10
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth…But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. Hebrews 11:13,16
And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
Hebrews 11:39-40
The dispensationalist, ignoring the clear teaching of scripture and the historic church, denies the existence of the general assembly, and falls back to perdition by advocating shadows as the means of salvation for the OT & Tribulation saint, all in order to preserve the delusion of the pretribulational rapture!
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven, whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven.” Now this, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. For our God is a consuming fire.
Hebrews 12:22-29
The dispensational argument that proclaims that the OT saint is somehow saved because of Christ – rather than being “in Christ” by partaking of the New Covenant in His Blood – is opposed to orthodox Christian soteriology. The truth will inevitably manifest itself. It has in dispensational soteriology. The truth is that another way of salvation which is somehow connected with Christ but not resting on Christ is a DIFFERENT way.
The dispensationalist at this point is, unconsciously perhaps, consistent with himself. He does not regard the Old Testament people of God as second, third, or fourth class citizens of the Kingdom of God. They simply are not citizens at all. While dispensationalists roundly assert that Old Testament people were saved by Christ, there is NO WAY IN THEIR THEOLOGICAL SYSTEM they could be.
By John H. Gerstner
Test All Things 
And to think that the glorious, any-moment, pre-tribulation rapture was taught by no denomination or church before 1830! Gerstner’s book exposing dispensationalism is excellent. And Reese’s 1937 book is a classic. MacPherson’s book The Rapture Plot is probably the best and most documented work on how pretrib dispensationalism originated and developed before it crossed the Atlantic. Thanks for your most interesting and enlightening comments – they are right on! Am wondering what it will take to shake American evangelicals out of their secret rapture stupor! Jon
Gerstner fights the fight of Truth vs. what we want it to be – so should we all who love the Truth. Having no Scriptural argumentation to add to his well stated argument against Dispensational teaching, I can only add conclusions and observation to the dialog.
!. Dispensational teaching is dangerous. Dangerous because it clearly perverts the truth. Dangerous because it weakens the faithful. When many of those who expect to be raptured before the Great Tribulation find themselves facing the world in the full rage of the Antichrist, they will most certainly be more susceptible to deception. After all they might reason, “this can’t be the Antichrist, we would have already been raptured”.
Dangerous, dangerous stuff to leave the souls we are pledged to teach and uphold in the grips of such a deception.
2. Dispensational teaching is arrogant at its core. When one considers the models of faith in Hebrews 11 and all they endured, yet remained faithful, “scourged”, “sawed in two”, etc.; when one considers the reality of the persecuted, the leprous or diseased, throughout history who remained faithful in spite of the torment, how is it that any of us living in contemporary western civilizations in relative peace and opulence can believe that God intends to spare us from the same kinds of torment in the Tribulation simply because we are believers? Doesn’t the same God make the rain fall on the righteous and unrighteous alike? (Yes, I realize that Revelation depicts the fact that believers will be spared the sores, etc., but, they will be martyred, etc.). Dispensational teaching would have us made more special than those who went before us in faith, those who may come to faith after the “rapture”, and those who are our Jewish brothers and sisters in Christ! In my way of thinking, this is the height of elitist arrogance in the church. When I combine that observation with the biblical arguments so well articulated by Gerstner, I am even more convinced of the delusion and deception perpetrated by Dispensationalism. Thank you, Mr. Gerstner! Thank God for the Truth! A2J! <
Thank you for the above review of Old Testament saints. As I have searched the scriptures to answer in my own mind as to the resurrection of Old Testament Saints I came to rest on I Cor 15:21-23.
Verse 22 states that “For as in Adam all die….”. This ALL MUST include Old Testament saints. I have not talked to anyone who would not agree. The second half of this is the clencher. It reads, “..so also IN CHRIST ALL will be made alive”. Again if it is accepted that the first ALL includes Old Testament saints then the second ALL of the same sentence must also include Old Testament Saints. As such, Old Testament saints also IN CHRIST will be made alive. In another view, this again tell me that NO saint will be made “Alive” without being “IN CHRIST”.
Thank you for your writings.
Tony Goodin
please i need some idea about the rapture and how it will happen please me in idea?
thank you
God bless
Dear Hope, thankyou for commenting.
Please read:
I am sure it will help, it is an excellent article.
Question. Can you bullet point the list of events?
I prayed and by the grace of God, God led me to the bottom website that discerns most of the end time prophecies. Remember prophecy is only a side-thing. Preaching gospel everywhere and being in a closer relationship with God is most important.
https://testallthings.com/category/studies-in-revelation/
https://justifiedbychristalone.com/category/eschatology/
ALL THE CREDIT AND GLORY GOES TO GOD.
Pray to God for great discernment and test everything.
Job 1:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge (spiritual barrier) about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every
side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
(Since God has given Job a spiritual barrier around him and everything he owns, Satan
and his demons can’t do nothing to him at all. This spiritual barrier is passed down to
all of God’s elects)
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon
himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
List of past, present and future events
-Christ already started his symbolic 1000 year (John 18:36) spiritual kingdom when Christ ascended to Heaven after his resurrection. Also this is the time, when Satan was thrown down from Heaven to sinful earth, to be sealed until the true gospel is preached to everyone.
Revelation 20:3 King James Version
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit (sinful earth), and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
-The two witnesses in Revelation are all of God’s elects preaching the gospel.
-The Seal of the Holy Spirit of promise that is only given to God’s elects (Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30; II Corinthians 1:21-22; II Timothy 2:19, Revelation 7:3-4)
https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html
John 10:28-29 King James Version
28 And I (Jesus) give unto them eternal life; and they (God’s elects) shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Also read Romans 8:38-39
It’s impossible for God’s elects to receive the mark of the beast.
Only nonelects receive the mark of the beast, covid vaccine
is not the mark of the beast.
Revelation 13:15-17 New King James Version
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed (God’s elects). 16 He causes all (nonelects), both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [a]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
-Luke 21:9-17 King James Version
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you (Some of God’s elects) shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.
Revelation 13:10 King James Version
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity (jailed God’s elects): he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
-God’s elects get Jailed or killed
-Read Matthew 24 for beginning for the first signs of the great tribulation.
-Matthew 24:12-14 King James Version
12 And because iniquity (https://www.gotquestions.org/seared-conscience.html, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12, Genesis 6:5) shall abound, the love of many (All nonelects will reject the Holy Spirit, nonelects get seared conscience) shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
-After true gospel is preached to every nation, Satan comes to have all nonelects worship him as the fake 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ with his great sign and miracles.
Matthew 24:24 King James Version
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, (it shows how strong the great signs will be, but God won’t allow God’s elects to be deceived) they shall deceive the very elect.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-13KingJamesVersion
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them (nonelects) strong delusion, that they (nonelects) should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you (God elects) to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
– The Gathering does not occur until the falling away of the church (apostasy, nonelects will no longer endure sound doctrine=2 Timothy 4:3-4) first and the man of sin (Satan) revealed. The gathering does not occur until Jesus returns. Jesus returns to destroy the man of sin (throws Satan into the lake of fire) which would means the church is not gathered, until after the tribulation when the Real Jesus Christ shows up. Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus is the same event. Matthew 24:31 and 2 Thessalonians 2
The Word of God says that Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.
Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, John 17:15
Matthew 24:29-31
King James Version (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
From
Matthew 24:30
“And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn (wail), and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
“And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
(Matthew 24:31)
Revelation 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11:12
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
It can only be the Bride of Christ who will ascend up into heaven at the sound of the last trumpet.
But what or how do we understand verse eleven when it speaks of the spirit of life entering into God’s elect at that last day?
The true Church will have already been baptized with the Holy Spirit; a necessary element of the born-again experience.
THE SPIRIT OF LIFE
The only other passage we find where the phrase “spirit of life” is found is in Romans 8:2.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (*another way to speak of the Rapture) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Timing of the gathering/rapturing is exactly the same in these two passages.
Before the Real Jesus Christ comes back: Great earthquake that shakes Earth and Heaven, sun shall be turned into darkness, moon into blood, stars shall withdraw their shining, heaven rolled like a scroll, every mountain and island moved out of their places,
Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 38:19-23, Joel 2:10-11, Joel 2:30-32, Haggai 2:6, 21, Matthew 24:29-34, Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:24-29, Mark 13:31, Acts 2:19-20, Luke 21:25-33 and Hebrews 12:26-28, Revelation 6:12-17, Compare Daniel 7:13-14, 27, Ezekiel 13:13, Revelation 11:15-19, Revelation 16:17-21
Harvest Session=end time harvest.
Isaiah 17:5-7, Joel 3:9-14 and Revelation 14:14-20
Harvest Session will just be like when Noah went to the ark, when Lot and his family left Sodom and Gomorrah , the same thing will happen when Jesus Christ sends his angels to gather his elect.
Heaven will be we rolled together like a scroll:
Isaiah 34:4, Hebrews 1:10-12, Hebrews 12:22-29 and Revelation 6:14-17.
All Humanity Shall See Christ’s Return
Then the 7th trumpet which is the last trumpet is blown (Revelation 11:15-19, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Corinthians 15:52, Matthew 24:30-31, Isaiah 11:11-12), Jesus Christ comes and every eye will see him (Revelation 1:7) “7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
and
“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:27)
and
“For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.” (Luke 17:24)
and
“30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matthew 24:30-31).
-2 Peter 3:10-13, Revelation 20:7-10, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
Then when the Real Jesus Christ comes back, God’s children (God’s elects that are still jailed on old earth) will first meet Jesus Christ in the air and Satan’s children will be hiding under rocks and mountains. Looks like the old heaven and old earth gets burned down, along with the nonelects physical bodies.
2 Peter 3:10-13
King James Version
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief (thief to nonelects) in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Also read Revelation 20:7-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
Everyone is going to see Jesus Christ. (Revelation 1:7)
Then the 7th trumpet which is the last trumpet is blown (Revelation 11:15-19, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Corinthians 15:52, Matthew 24:30-31, Isaiah 11:11-12), Jesus Christ comes and every eye will see him (Revelation 1:7) “7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
and
“30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matthew 24:30-31).
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)
2nd coming is when the Real Jesus Christ burns down the old heaven and old earth.
Revelation 21:1 King James Version
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away (got burned down with everything in it); and there was no more sea.
-Than all souls get judged.
Separation between sheeps (God’s elects) and goats (nonelects):
Isaiah 65, Ezekiel 34, Matthew 13:36-49, Matthew 25:31-46 and Luke 6:20-26
Great white throne is the judgment day.
Revelation 20:11-15, Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:31-46 and John 5:26-30.
Jesus gives back his kingdom to God the Father, after everything is finished. (1 Corinthians 15:24-28)
It is when new Heaven and new earth are created.
(Isaiah 35:10, Isaiah 62:1-12, Isaiah 65:17-25, Zephaniah 3:9-20 and Revelation 21-22)
-Jesus Christ throws all nonelects (all nonelects, Satan and his demons into the lake of fire, which they will stay there forever.)
Revelation 20:4 King James Version
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 21
King James Version
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Those are the main events, we will find more truth when the signs come.
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Matthew 28:20
King James Version (KJV)
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
John 16:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
• 2 Peter 1:19-21
King James Version (KJV)
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
ALL THE CREDIT AND GLORY GOES TO GOD.
Pray to God for great discernment and test everything.
Remember let Scripture interpret Scripture.
1 Corinthians 2:10-13
King James Version (KJV)
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the
Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 14:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1 Corinthians 14:29-33
King James Version (KJV)
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Acts 17:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all
readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
1 Thessalonians 5:20-21
King James Version (KJV)
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
2 Timothy 2:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I have found what i was looking for !!! thx )
Hi again, Larry.
So you are aware, my article has been published on my blog – a place that you cannot delete anything.
Hi Modres, you need to make a correction. This website is not run by Larry.
Larry is a man who left a comment, just like anyone else can. I have no idea who Larry is so please edit your articles and remove where you have written that Larry is the owner of this website. Thankyou
I have deleted both yours and his comments as this is my website and I use it to teach God’s people, and not as a platform for debates.
Link for forum?
I closed the forum a number of years ago :)
What Christian songs that are like the psalms of David?
None that I am aware of. Nothing compares to the Word of God. I have not used email for nearly a year. I only use Skype. If you have that then tell me your username and I can add you. :)
Thank God, He opened my eyes. I used to be one of those nuts who believed in and taught the “pre trib” theory but thanks to God, not anymore! God has led me outta there, and I humbly pray that He blesses them that spread the truth.