The False Gospel Of John Piper

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~ by Test All Things on May 20, 2009.

29 Responses to “The False Gospel Of John Piper”

  1. I just heard this message in context and believe you have misunderstood what Piper was saying.

    • No David, we did not misunderstand him. We are just honest about what he believes and teaches.

      We are well aware that his followers, such as you, will not accept it and find all kinds of excuses for his damnable heresies.

  2. We need to continue to expose John Piper’s false teachings and cult-like following…keep up the good work!

  3. I have learned that John Piper has invited Rick Warren as the keynote speaker for his 2010 Desiring God Conference.

  4. What sermon did you quote?

    • Hello April,

      Here are the following sources…

      Christ died for all sinners, so that IF you will repent and believe in Christ, then the death of Jesus will become effective in your case and will take away your sins. Died for you, means if you believe, the death of Jesus will cover your sins. Now, as far as it goes, this is biblical teaching.
      (John Piper – “Taste and See” (Multnomah,1999), page 325)

      John Piper said:
      “So Piper, just be simple a minute, do you believe Jesus died for all people? just give us a straight out answer. And I’m not going to play politics, I’m not going to answer another question. I’m going to do this.
      Before I answer it, i’m gunna force you to define for all people, i’m going to say, ‘now just tell me exactly what you mean and i’ll answer you’ because I dont want to answer in a way that would cause you to misunderstand. What do you mean by for all people?
      Now I think I know what most, is it okay if I use the word arminians? just, just most people who, who are having a hard time, they’re not all arminians, having a hard time with limited atonement. That is the atonement that effects something special for a limited group.

      I think I know what they all mean, and i’m going to quote Miller’s Erikson’s theology because I think he’s right. He says:

      “God intended the atonement to make salvation possible for all persons. christ died for all persons but this atoning death becomes effective only when accepted by the individual. This is the view of all arminians.” closed quote.

      If that’s the view of all arminians I totally agree with it. No qualifications. So if you say “did christ die for all people” and I say “what do you mean for all people?” and you answer “I mean did he die in such a way so that anybody anywhere who believes will be saved by that blood.”
      I say “absolutely he did.” That’s John 3:16 pure and simple. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son in such a way that whoever believes will not perish, I believe that totally without qualification. Every individual person on planet earth who believes in Jesus has their life covered by the blood of Jesus. so you preach that, you stand up on sunday morning and you say christ died in such a way so that anybody in this room who believes, your sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.
      (John Piper – Acts 29 conference – The Whole Glory of God – Imputation – Impartation of His righteousness – Part 2)

      The other quotes are from John Piper’s heretical book titled “Future Grace”.

      John Piper is a heretic.

  5. WOW, this last collection of Piper’s quotes on the scope of the Atonement is shockingly revealing…! He used to be more in-line with the orthodox understanding. Boy, that is scary! Reminds me also of infamously pathetic doctrinal degradation of JI Packer. A person can start off with seemingly a good start end then end up like this…

    • why does this matter? I would love to know why it’s such a big deal? Will someone please list some consequences to this “false teaching” form this “heretic”. This is not a joke, i want to know why you all are so mad so i can better understand the situation.

      • you might want to do some reading in the matter of the Atonement of Jesus Christ for His people. Try reading in the section ‘Particular Redemption’. If you do not understand the difference between the gospel of the grace of God in Christ Jesus and the false gospel of auto-salvation, based on choosing, willing and running, you won’t understand “why [Piper's heretical statements] are such a big deal”. If you are curious, you have got to do some reading, which should send you researching Scriptures. There is plenty of good materials in stock here on the issue. We can continue to talk about all this, but the conversation has to be more informed and specific.

  6. I’ve been calling Piper a false teacher for 5 years and it seemed as if nobody agreed with me. Thanks.

  7. Hey, just trying to understand ur position..
    so r u saying faith is not required for salvation?

  8. Piper KNOWS exactly “ALL” the doctrines that an Arminian believes and he identifies with them. Why? because he says he does….and they are his brethren coz of what he identifies with them. Same god same jesus, same gospel. Which is another gospel and another Jesus other than what i have received and the scriptures themselves with the Holy Ghost confirming that what is the truth.

  9. Is there anyway to get the full audio on this. I would like to hear the context in which this “ONE” statement was recorded. The beginning and the end as it seems it was broken into at the beginning and cut off at the end.
    Thanks, Steve

    • Hi Steve,

      Here is the full quote…

      John Piper said:
      “So Piper, just be simple a minute, do you believe Jesus died for all people? just give us a straight out answer. And I’m not going to play politics, I’m not going to answer another question. I’m going to do this.
      Before I answer it, i’m gunna force you to define for all people, i’m going to say, ‘now just tell me exactly what you mean and i’ll answer you’ because I dont want to answer in a way that would cause you to misunderstand. What do you mean by for all people?
      Now I think I know what most, is it okay if I use the word arminians? just, just most people who, who are having a hard time, they’re not all arminians, having a hard time with limited atonement. That is the atonement that effects something special for a limited group.

      I think I know what they all mean, and i’m going to quote Miller’s Erikson’s theology because I think he’s right. He says:

      “God intended the atonement to make salvation possible for all persons. christ died for all persons but this atoning death becomes effective only when accepted by the individual. This is the view of all arminians.” closed quote.

      If that’s the view of all arminians I totally agree with it. No qualifications. So if you say “did christ die for all people” and I say “what do you mean for all people?” and you answer “I mean did he die in such a way so that anybody anywhere who believes will be saved by that blood.”
      I say “absolutely he did.” That’s John 3:16 pure and simple. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son in such a way that whoever believes will not perish, I believe that totally without qualification. Every individual person on planet earth who believes in Jesus has their life covered by the blood of Jesus. so you preach that, you stand up on sunday morning and you say christ died in such a way so that anybody in this room who believes, your sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.
      (John Piper – Acts 29 conference – The Whole Glory of God – Imputation – Impartation of His righteousness – Part 2)

      You can listen to the audio here… http://www.acts29network.org/sermon/the-whole-glory-of-god-imputation–impartation-of-his-righteousness-part-2/ – Go to the 19 minute mark and hear this heresy for yourself!

  10. Calvinism is demonic to begin with… predestination… limited atonement

    • Your problem is not with “calvinism” so called but with the God of the bible whom you hate.

      The hatred that you express for the biblical truths of Christ’s atonement for His people (Matthew 1:23) and predestination (Romans 9, Ephesian 1) is evidence of a hardened, unregenerate heart.

      You call good, evil and light you call darkness.

      Isaiah 8:20
      To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

      • “Election, sooner or later, is rivetted in the hearts of God’s people. And a man that lives and dies in enmity against this blessed doctrine, lives and dies in his sins; and if he dies in enmity, he will be damned in that enmity.”
        (J.C. Philpot)

    • It is inconvenient for the flesh to accept the possibility that God, the Creator, is in control of the very wills he fashioned. That God made the mind is obvious, but do we think that the will, which is part of the mind, is inaccessible to its creator? The flesh cringes at two thoughts: One, that we could do nothing to earn the favor of God, and two, the apparent unfairness of God to choose whom he wants to save, not allowing the savee to choose. We think that’s not fair, but who tells the Creator what is fair for how to treat his creation? Would we allow a stranger to come into our homes and tell us whom we can or can’t allow in?
      Oddly, we have no problem with the notion that Satan takes over the will of men in demonic possession, or how he ‘blinds the mind of those who are perishing.’ We even accept that a human can control another human in hypnotism or mind control methods. But somehow we reason that if the Owner of the soul who commonly dictates where we are born, our race, eye color, parents, and any number of variables without our feeling slighted by him, is out of the bounds of his power or rights to dictate whom will be invited into his kingdom? But if this is so, then it is not God who is free of will, but we, by our choosing him, are above him in will, because we dictate that he must choose us. He has no choice. And you call election demonic?! What, then, shall we do with all the scriptures that plainly tell us that he does predestinate? Peter, Romans, Ephesians, and then the countless examples in Old and New Testament? It’s not a doctrinal issue, but the struggle of flesh, against the Sovereign rule of our Maker. We, who believe what the scripture plainly teaches, once humbling our human flesh to it, elevate God to a much higher glory than you, who walk according to the glory of the flesh, can possibly perceive or imagination. Our God, the God of scripture, is infinitely bigger. You can never praise God as we do. You are bigger than your god.

  11. Ok I’m confused. This thread starts off appearing to talk about how calvinism is bad and John Piper is bad because he believes in calvinism, but then it seems to turn on a dime and the blogger (test all things) is arguing FOR calvinism. At least that’s how it appears from this quote.

    “Your problem is not with “calvinism” so called but with the God of the bible whom you hate.
    The hatred that you express for the biblical truths of Christ’s atonement for His people (Matthew 1:23) and predestination (Romans 9, Ephesian 1) is evidence of a hardened, unregenerate heart.
    You call good, evil and light you call darkness.
    Isaiah 8:20
    To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.”

    So which is it? Is Piper a calvinist and you think he is a heretic because of it? Or the other way around. I’m just trying to clarify because some of the guys in my church just started a study on his book “Desiring God” and I’m not sure what to think of it so far.

    • Dear Shane,

      This video and the the short quotes and articles that we have added to this website concerning the false gospel of John Piper is to expose the heresies that he is proclaiming in his books and from the pulpit.

      These heresies are as follows.

      1) He teaches the heresy of universal atonement.

      2) He teaches that there are many conditions that the sinner must meet for salvation as shown in the above video.

      3) He believes that we are justified by what God ENABLES his elect to perform, which we and others call the “reformed version of salvation conditioned on the sinner.” If a gospel is preached where salvation is conditioned on anything that man must do, EVEN IF God enables them to perform it as they say, then this is another gospel.

      The truth is that Christ Jesus met ALL of the conditions for the salvation of His people and when he cried “IT IS FINISHED”, it really was.

      Faith is not a condition for salvation. Faith is a gift from God given to His elect when he quickens them to life by His Spirit and teaches them through the gospel that the Lord Jesus met all of the conditions for their salvation – and they rejoice in an ACCOMPLISHED SALVATION….Christ’s FINISHED work.

      John Piper says that the CONDITION for justification is faith…that is a lie!

      4) John Piper’s heretical view of creation account.

      see: http://testallthings.com/2010/12/28/john-pipers-heretical-view-of-creation/

      5) Teaching that arminians such as Rick Warren are preaching the true gospel – which is more evidence that Piper does not believe or teach the true gospel.

      I hope that the above has answered your questions. The problem is that we live in a day when many false prophets are calling themselves “calvinists” such as John Piper and Mark Driscoll and then teaching from the pulpit the damnable lie of universal atonement.

      For more infrmation please see:

      http://testallthings.com/?s=piper

  12. Shane, you ARE confused not a little in this matter. Arminianism is a heresy, not Calvinism (as far as our perspective, which we consider scriptural). Piper is being criticized becuase of his deviation from the truth, i.e., Calvinism. But you need to know of the substance of this age old debate – is salvation of sinners something that depends on them, or is it of God to show mercy to whomever He wills? Having studied the issue (between Arminians and Calvinists) in the light of the Word, you then must come to your own conclusion…

  13. It’s pretty amazing that so called ‘reformed’ Christians still accept John Piper as a legitimate bible teacher despite the fact that he associates himself with Rick Warren. Even if you do not read the book just a simple google search of president inauguration, Rick Warren and muslim should give you a simple clue as to what Rick Warren stand for. The fact that this hypocrate actually stands for both calvanism and armineanism, two ideals that are opposite of each other really shows that he is the real chameleon of the reformed movement not Rick Warren. It’s a pity that this website was written so early that I am not able to chip in with my idea. Most Reformed Christian actually say that John Piper has slided into heresy. But then how can you believe that a true Christian can actually back slide? This pretty shows that most of those reformed teachers may know predestination in theory but they cannot actually apply it in practice. The thing is that as you have identified. John Piper has always been a heretic since the beginning. Just that since he wants to be identified with the reformed people, he has to make his teaching more ‘reformed’. But once he see the need not to do that, he reveals his true self more and more. You see. This guy was never filled with the holy spirit. His teachings reflect that. The people who generally follow him are the deceived who wants to get the best of both world in reformed theology as well as a feeling orientated theologu.
    And I feel that despite the name reformed theology that many christians wants to associate themselves with, I really think that those people are not interested in the truth at all. Sure they are interested in knowledge but definitely not the truth. If they were interested in the truth they would have investigate Piper’s past instead of just saying that he has backslided. In fact you are right in saying that Piper followers are cult like. They keep on salivating his heresy saying that they are right without even critically analyzing what this new heresies this Piper is saying . To me he is much much worse then Rick Warren. He is a person who does not even seem to know what is his right hand and his left and he is willing to teach the ‘truth’ as long as he can teach lies in the end. I have a real hatred for this guy and I really cannot understand how a ‘Christian’ like him can really deceive everyone by openly endorsing both calvanism and armineanism. The fact that he can actually endorse both shows that he is devoid of any conscience. It’s not a matter of backsliding. He is always one of them and he is the worst of the lot.

  14. I always believe that God always make it clear to all his Children in the end who the real heretics are. There is no doubt that those people are preaching heresies. The fact that they are still being accepted shows the sinfulness of the people rather then just a matter of being deceived. People are deceived many times not because of ignorant but because of choice.

  15. I posted against John Piper on a website called Sharper Iron and am now prevented from posting.

  16. I just watched a couple minutes of this. You claim that “faith is not a condition of or prerequesite to salvation.” Actually, we are saved by grace *through faith.* Ephesians 2:8

    • And that faith(trust) is not of yourselves lest any man should boast it is a gift.Eph 2:8 The faith that justifies is that of Messiah and is passed to us by the Holy Spirit at the moment of conversion. Trust(faith) is not the cause of our salvation it is the result and proof of salvation.

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